DEBATE: Was Trump the Right Pick over Kamala?
From Grok (xAI) 16:9 format image in pen and ink and watercolor, loose style, of President Trump looking slightly mean in the foreground, with chaos around and behind him down below, and in the background just behind him, an inspirational portrait of Kamala Harris looking up and to the left toward peace and utopia
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Saturday, October 18, 2025 AD, 6pm PT (8pm CT / 9pm ET) — Hake returns to the great Modern-Day Debate to discuss: Was Trump the right pick over Kamala? (FORGOT TO MENTION! I love that we use first name for the woman, as appropriate.)
It was Phoebe (phoebe_ophie) and William (FreeWillful) vs Hake and Michael (ImTheDude2025) UPDATE: Catch Hake’s Dec 12th, 2025 follow-up interview with William!
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ROUGH TIMESTAMPS / HAKE’S CURSORY NOTES BELOW!
TIMESTAMPS (add 1:30 for podcast)
(0:00:00) Start
(0:00:45) Intro — Hake
(0:05:18) Michael: Trump should not have lost. Biden-Kamala messed things up!
(0:10:26) Dr. James Kunz of Modern-Day Debate — DebateCon
(0:11:17) William, pro-Kamala, sarcastically pro-Trump: Inexperienced, Fooling with “our money”...
HUD programs/“affordable housing” (raise prices);
ICE can go to Churches, hospitals, schools (these people don’t love the country — they exploit and take advantage of the country DISHONESTLY)...
Yes, cut “education”! And anti-American material: “genocide,” “Jim Crow” hype (encouraging anger; women being “educated” has made them more anxious and more miserable — Gen Z isn’t having babies cuz they have “climate anxiety” over something that has not materialized)…
Voter mess….
Epstein is boring and tired… Nosy people in their imagination over conspiracy theories.
(0:17:58) Phoebe: Existential threat to Speech, Who they are… (TRAIN!)
Antifa “terrorist” org, “anti-fascist” — EVERYONE labeled a domestic terrorist? (They’ve been waging war against speech, against people for what and who they are…) The “peaceful protesters” provide cover
Free things, education, etc, majorities…
Kamala stymying Trump’s “fascism”? Very different for Phoebe…
(National Guard not there to violate anybody’s speech rights)
(0:22:25) Open dialogue — Michael… addressing Phoebe or Will … Why didn’t she do it?
(0:25:06) Where’s the wall? He was building it! Economy doing well! Kamala talking BS… Prices lower now? Nope… Cutting regulations, booms… “Workers’ rights”...
Climate scaremongering
(0:36:21) One more minute on climate from William. He thinks Kamala.
(0:37:05) Michael addressing “Mr. Free Will” — Trump is a “felon” … I don’t judge someone… Ironic. Hypocrisy?
(0:40:42) Molested? Judge based on actions. “White collar crimes.”
(0:46:12) Did you vote for Kamala? Biden became incompetent last summer? Incompetent over fascist? Fear-mongering
(0:49:02) What are you concerned about? “Antifa” doesn’t exist?!
(0:51:17) What right is being violated?
(0:55:07) Commie gets thrown around…
(1:00:31) Veterans banned from “abortion care” even under rape and incest
(1:04:12) ICE … Trump law and order… Peace!
(1:06:58) Mexican who’s afraid … Michael’s mom came from an impoverished country… “Arresting children” … “undocumented” … Would you go illegally?
(1:10:56) Foreign policy: Trump’s great! Biden-Kamala did nothing and let things go out-of-control! Tariffs, economy…
(1:15:14) Phoebe: Manufacturing isn’t easy to come back… Run with Nick Fuentes 2032
(1:18:29) Trump bringing unity… Kamala was divisive… MLK was nasty and fake like Obama …
(1:20:05) Michael… Bankruptcy is the right thing for a company… Trump is a brilliant businessman. An outsider, not a politician, not familiar with politics’ swamp.
(1:24:47) Lobbying… Deficit gotten worse… Longterm solutions.
(1:28:43) Kamala: Price controls… Federal limits on groceries…
(1:31:21) Homelessness… Mental Health…
(1:36:42) Single mothers…
(1:40:10) Feminism…
(1:41:57) Trump is great for women…
(1:43:37) Crime… Nazis… Trump…
(1:49:53) Very fine people hoax…
(1:52:38) Confederate statues…
(1:54:33) Modern-Day Debate announcements…
(1:55:25) Q: FE? Phoebe: Alchemist Soil. Financial oligarchy.
(1:57:27) Uniparty. Except Trump! Kamala ghetto…
(2:00:15) Felons keep and bear arms? Biden on Crime and N-word…
(2:01:50) Trump bump stock ban… Overlords or freedom
(2:03:07) Antifa… mockery: Communism… Women in leadership?
(2:05:50) Debate on college campus? Email Modern-Day Debate!
(2:06:11) White people voting for Kamala from guilt? Biden decline
(2:09:32) Tariffs vs Corporate taxes…
(2:11:09) If Trump acts like H-villian…
(2:12:43) Illegals affecting the black community…
(2:16:58) Men better fitted to lead…
(2:19:51) Kamala got her job for her skin color and gender… 4 more years of the same… Kamala is FAKE! Phoebe agrees!
(2:22:28) Trump hated because he’s the truth… Manly… “Id”...
(2:23:53) Women: Lead or follow? Evolution?
(2:24:54) MLK was… (Phoebe making noise!) … r—ing…
(2:26:56) Hostility if a woman became president … Kamala better than Trump…
(2:32:02) Hake destroying them… Michael is great…
(2:32:40) Trump blew up Venezuelan boat. How would Kamala respond?
(2:33:49) Neoliberal: Pro-war …
(2:35:09) Pro-Israel or cut ties?
(2:36:10) Closing with guests… more announcements
A few cursory notes…
President Trump is a “joyful warrior.” He is fulfilling his role to “comfort the afflicted,” and to “afflict the comfortable.” He’s asking from “each according to his ability,” for each according to his need. Where Kamala is empty, treating us all like children, President Trump is inspiring men and women and treating them like adults. He’s not pretending to be King. He’s simply enforcing the law fairly for once in our lifetimes.
We don’t need any more queens. Trump has put enough women in charge (too many). We don’t need Kamala or Hillary, or AOC as “President.” The only other man with Trump’s spirit is maybe Nicholas J Fuentes. Other than that, I don’t know if there’s another man up to the task.
More important than the wall, than immigration, than the economy, than ending endless wars, than the attack on Christianity or white people around the world, or the attack on men — I appreciate Trump’s unique spirit and attitude and honesty! He brings some much-needed realness and common sense to the world.
I figure America is done. But I appreciate his can-do positive thinking, and his competence.
Small recent things that come to mind that are icing on the cake…
Yesterday: George Santos sentence COMMUTED! Nice.
Charlie Kirk assassination — Trump’s handling of it… PERFECT!
Iryna Zarutska, the Ukrainian refugee on the Charlotte, SC train — incident, Trump’s handling of it… PERFECT!
Hope for peace: Actually can get along with Putin and Bibi as well as Zelensky, and reportedly win some confidence even from Hamas — even liberals agree he’s THE anti-war prez (except for the War on Drugs, ofc — and he’s willing to DOMINATE Venezuelan drug boats over it!)
Actually got a handle on the border and showing some strength of will in deporting people here illegally. Bringing down the refugees, and bringing some ACTUAL refugees — shining a light on South Africa (a city FAILED by the media and academics and generations of career politicians).
NOTES: I like Kamala well enough! She seems kinda fun, and good for elementary, Jr High, or High School as a teacher or admin or recess or lunch lady, or someone to hang out with now and then. But Biden made her VP b/c Joe’s a kiss-up! And he goes with the flow — not in a good way!
And President Trump is not about ERASING anyone (remember his graciousness with that one Jenner, and working with that Kardashian!). But Trump tends to places people in their rightful position! In fact, he’s quite generous with people — especially women and others! Honestly, he goes with the flow too, but in a more sensible way overall.
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